Comments on: The Modern Professional Developer

By: Closer To The Ideal » Blog Archive » Porn, fuck and the gender openness of the Ruby on Rails community

Sun, 03 May 2009 03:39:16 +0000

[...] Audrey Eschright followed up the next day with more thoughts about openness and community: When I say professionalism, I mean the social practices that permit each of us and our colleagues to earn a living. All of the things I’ve described above don’t affect my ability to get a paycheck, nor does it impede anyone else. What does have that effect is exclusionary behavior, and technical communities that allow said behavior to persist, even when called on it. [...]

By: Double Shot #443 « A Fresh Cup

Double Shot #443 « A Fresh Cup — Fri, 01 May 2009 11:27:21 +0000

[...] The Modern Professional Developer – Audrey Eschright defends the idea of professionalism. [...]

By: rue

rue — Fri, 01 May 2009 03:26:08 +0000

You define a standard of conduct very well, whether it is called professionalism or something else. The feedback provision is crucial: there is always something that might strike someone the wrong way, group dynamics will vary and there are always things that can be done to be more inclusive (I myself often miss out on the social interaction because I do not really drink.)

Programmers tend to dislike fuzzy specs and not understanding the entire problem space, but on the other hand we are good at going back to fix our logic when things inevitably do not work exactly as expected.

By: D'gou

D'gou — Fri, 01 May 2009 01:48:08 +0000

Thank you for keeping the discussion moving forward.

@misuba I wonder what the real percentage is.

Loving that this has absolutely blown up. The status-quo never gives up easy and never fights fair and it is long past time for the-old-boys-network to be questioned.

By: David Koontz

David Koontz — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:36:36 +0000

Lucas: Where did the 'c' word come from? And if you're not up on the whole professionalism hoo-ha that's going on in the Rails world, just google for 'Matt Aimonetti how to perform like a porn star' to get the torrent of commentary, or just read Audrey's recent posts. [It's cool, Lucas is my SO. He's referencing trolls on the other post, as well as conversations we've had personally, and is quite aware of the issue. I think "bewildered" should be read as "this should be obvious and it sucks that it isn't". --Audrey]

By: Lucas

Lucas — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:56:11 +0000

I like wearing a tie to work (on occasion, this is Portland after all). Makes me feel all growns up. I have yet to call any of my coworkers a cunt, though there was one blowhard in our training session this morning who needed a bust in the chops. Plus I get all of the “cunts” out of my system at Timbers games (home opener in 4 hours!).

Color me bewildered (as someone wholly outside of the tech community) that this conversation even needs to take place.

By: misuba

misuba — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:16:20 +0000

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. Half the people who rail against the word “professional” are doing a better job making the Ruby world less human than a multinational corporation ever could.